TRUMP 2024

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#Sirve still hasn't figured it out....but #Sieve is so articulate, ha.
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caryking said:

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caryking said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

This is not a peace deal. There is an understanding that they will continue talking and try to reach a peace deal in 60 days. If Iran does not behave they will get bombed. If they start meeting certain criteria, then they will slowly get some of the funds that have been frozen. What we have right now is a pause. Iran has a choice to make. Do what they signed on to do or be obliterated. No U. S. Forces are going anywhere for a while. Trump has all the leverage. Obama never had any.

Again let it play out and see where we go. There is plenty in the works behind the scenes. Americans don't want troops on the ground. Ok then we destroy them economically where they have to either give in or get destroyed. Trump is giving them an out to save face, but he is not letting them off the hook.



Yeah, I'm not buying that. This regime murdered tens of thousands of their own citizens, they were responsible for October 7th, they are responsible for the war in Gaza, and they have consistently maintained their main goal is to eradicate Israel off the map and to murder as many Americans as possible.

As a reward for all this, the US is now going to allow Iran to become richer than they have in the last 47 years.

Great negotiations. In 60 days you know what we're going to have? Jack squat.

What is the alternative?

finish the job you promised. Unconditional surrender

What would that include?

go ask Trump. He said it.

Perhaps he's accomplished what he wanted, right? So, what would you want him to do to finish the job?? Did you have an expectation of what that meant? If so, what was it?

lol. Yes, I have an expectation of unconditional surrender being an actual unconditional surrender. We do t have an unconditional surrender Cary.

Heck, I'm not even sure I know what unconditional surrender means. Tell me what you think it means, specifically…

wiping an evil regime off the face of the earth.

So, was that your expectation? If so, would you agree that aligns with the Neo-Con position?

why does that matter?


I guess knowing your expectation helps me understand why you're not happy about the decisions being made…

Watching you try to corral this guy is a hoot. You must enjoy hearding cats. :-)

He could wait me out. I'm not going to be here much longer…


Ella Langley sings it right!
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Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

TheStorm said:

Gulfstream4 said:

eljefe444 said:

caryking said:

eljefe444 said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

DrummerboyWolf said:

This is not a peace deal. There is an understanding that they will continue talking and try to reach a peace deal in 60 days. If Iran does not behave they will get bombed. If they start meeting certain criteria, then they will slowly get some of the funds that have been frozen. What we have right now is a pause. Iran has a choice to make. Do what they signed on to do or be obliterated. No U. S. Forces are going anywhere for a while. Trump has all the leverage. Obama never had any.

Again let it play out and see where we go. There is plenty in the works behind the scenes. Americans don't want troops on the ground. Ok then we destroy them economically where they have to either give in or get destroyed. Trump is giving them an out to save face, but he is not letting them off the hook.



Yeah, I'm not buying that. This regime murdered tens of thousands of their own citizens, they were responsible for October 7th, they are responsible for the war in Gaza, and they have consistently maintained their main goal is to eradicate Israel off the map and to murder as many Americans as possible.

As a reward for all this, the US is now going to allow Iran to become richer than they have in the last 47 years.

Great negotiations. In 60 days you know what we're going to have? Jack squat.

What is the alternative?

finish the job you promised. Unconditional surrender

What would that include?

go ask Trump. He said it.

Perhaps he's accomplished what he wanted, right? So, what would you want him to do to finish the job?? Did you have an expectation of what that meant? If so, what was it?


What did he accomplish that he wanted?

He's gotten to a place where they can get a deal. What I find interesting is that some want him to finish the job. I really think it's them that need to let us know what they expected.

it appears obvious that Trump is at a place where he is content, for the time being. BTW, I'm not here to read anyone's mind, so, please enlighten us on your expectations.


I think this has been a total disaster and any deal he can make isn't going to be nearly as good as the JCPOA he withdrew from.

Unfortunately, we'll have to live with the lives already lost, economic hits, and would rather spend the potential $300 billion on our own citizens instead of rebuilding Iran after bombing them.

What are your expectations?


What $300 billion are you talking about?

He's still watching MSNOW apparently...


Must be

Are y'all being intentionally obtuse or are you not aware about the $300 billion redevelopment fund that's a component of the deal?

Or are you hiding behind "yeah but but but that money's not coming from the US government?"

Again, the deal sucks in many ways including this one. The Obama deal Trump hated had a fraction of that capital (and similarly it did not come from the US government) allocated as incentive to behave.


eljefe literally said he "rather spend $300 billion on our on citizens" so I was asking him what he is talking about? I get the feeling he is misinformed.

As I said 500 times in the last three pages of this thread, I skeptical Iran will meet the requirements for any money to make it to them. If you don't like this part of the deal, take it up with the gulf coast nations.




Let's change it to something less ambiguous then. I'd rather the $30 billion already spent on this war (and additional $80 billion the Pentagon is requesting) be used on the American people.
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eljefe444 said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

TheStorm said:

Gulfstream4 said:

eljefe444 said:

caryking said:

eljefe444 said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

DrummerboyWolf said:

This is not a peace deal. There is an understanding that they will continue talking and try to reach a peace deal in 60 days. If Iran does not behave they will get bombed. If they start meeting certain criteria, then they will slowly get some of the funds that have been frozen. What we have right now is a pause. Iran has a choice to make. Do what they signed on to do or be obliterated. No U. S. Forces are going anywhere for a while. Trump has all the leverage. Obama never had any.

Again let it play out and see where we go. There is plenty in the works behind the scenes. Americans don't want troops on the ground. Ok then we destroy them economically where they have to either give in or get destroyed. Trump is giving them an out to save face, but he is not letting them off the hook.



Yeah, I'm not buying that. This regime murdered tens of thousands of their own citizens, they were responsible for October 7th, they are responsible for the war in Gaza, and they have consistently maintained their main goal is to eradicate Israel off the map and to murder as many Americans as possible.

As a reward for all this, the US is now going to allow Iran to become richer than they have in the last 47 years.

Great negotiations. In 60 days you know what we're going to have? Jack squat.

What is the alternative?

finish the job you promised. Unconditional surrender

What would that include?

go ask Trump. He said it.

Perhaps he's accomplished what he wanted, right? So, what would you want him to do to finish the job?? Did you have an expectation of what that meant? If so, what was it?


What did he accomplish that he wanted?

He's gotten to a place where they can get a deal. What I find interesting is that some want him to finish the job. I really think it's them that need to let us know what they expected.

it appears obvious that Trump is at a place where he is content, for the time being. BTW, I'm not here to read anyone's mind, so, please enlighten us on your expectations.


I think this has been a total disaster and any deal he can make isn't going to be nearly as good as the JCPOA he withdrew from.

Unfortunately, we'll have to live with the lives already lost, economic hits, and would rather spend the potential $300 billion on our own citizens instead of rebuilding Iran after bombing them.

What are your expectations?


What $300 billion are you talking about?

He's still watching MSNOW apparently...


Must be

Are y'all being intentionally obtuse or are you not aware about the $300 billion redevelopment fund that's a component of the deal?

Or are you hiding behind "yeah but but but that money's not coming from the US government?"

Again, the deal sucks in many ways including this one. The Obama deal Trump hated had a fraction of that capital (and similarly it did not come from the US government) allocated as incentive to behave.


eljefe literally said he "rather spend $300 billion on our on citizens" so I was asking him what he is talking about? I get the feeling he is misinformed.

As I said 500 times in the last three pages of this thread, I skeptical Iran will meet the requirements for any money to make it to them. If you don't like this part of the deal, take it up with the gulf coast nations.




Let's change it to something less ambiguous then. I'd rather the $30 billion already spent on this war (and additional $80 billion the Pentagon is requesting) be used on the American people.


Trying to get rid of a regime that has vocally been at war with the USA for 50 years and then replenishing your defense is spending money on its citizens. I know you hate Trump but come on man.
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eljefe444 said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

TheStorm said:

Gulfstream4 said:

eljefe444 said:

caryking said:

eljefe444 said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

DrummerboyWolf said:

This is not a peace deal. There is an understanding that they will continue talking and try to reach a peace deal in 60 days. If Iran does not behave they will get bombed. If they start meeting certain criteria, then they will slowly get some of the funds that have been frozen. What we have right now is a pause. Iran has a choice to make. Do what they signed on to do or be obliterated. No U. S. Forces are going anywhere for a while. Trump has all the leverage. Obama never had any.

Again let it play out and see where we go. There is plenty in the works behind the scenes. Americans don't want troops on the ground. Ok then we destroy them economically where they have to either give in or get destroyed. Trump is giving them an out to save face, but he is not letting them off the hook.



Yeah, I'm not buying that. This regime murdered tens of thousands of their own citizens, they were responsible for October 7th, they are responsible for the war in Gaza, and they have consistently maintained their main goal is to eradicate Israel off the map and to murder as many Americans as possible.

As a reward for all this, the US is now going to allow Iran to become richer than they have in the last 47 years.

Great negotiations. In 60 days you know what we're going to have? Jack squat.

What is the alternative?

finish the job you promised. Unconditional surrender

What would that include?

go ask Trump. He said it.

Perhaps he's accomplished what he wanted, right? So, what would you want him to do to finish the job?? Did you have an expectation of what that meant? If so, what was it?


What did he accomplish that he wanted?

He's gotten to a place where they can get a deal. What I find interesting is that some want him to finish the job. I really think it's them that need to let us know what they expected.

it appears obvious that Trump is at a place where he is content, for the time being. BTW, I'm not here to read anyone's mind, so, please enlighten us on your expectations.


I think this has been a total disaster and any deal he can make isn't going to be nearly as good as the JCPOA he withdrew from.

Unfortunately, we'll have to live with the lives already lost, economic hits, and would rather spend the potential $300 billion on our own citizens instead of rebuilding Iran after bombing them.

What are your expectations?


What $300 billion are you talking about?

He's still watching MSNOW apparently...


Must be

Are y'all being intentionally obtuse or are you not aware about the $300 billion redevelopment fund that's a component of the deal?

Or are you hiding behind "yeah but but but that money's not coming from the US government?"

Again, the deal sucks in many ways including this one. The Obama deal Trump hated had a fraction of that capital (and similarly it did not come from the US government) allocated as incentive to behave.


eljefe literally said he "rather spend $300 billion on our on citizens" so I was asking him what he is talking about? I get the feeling he is misinformed.

As I said 500 times in the last three pages of this thread, I skeptical Iran will meet the requirements for any money to make it to them. If you don't like this part of the deal, take it up with the gulf coast nations.




Let's change it to something less ambiguous then. I'd rather the $30 billion already spent on this war (and additional $80 billion the Pentagon is requesting) be used on the American people.


So you were misinformed, got it!

How do you feel about all the money spent in Ukraine or Palestine? Were you in favor of using that money on the American people?
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eljefe444 said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

TheStorm said:

Gulfstream4 said:

eljefe444 said:

caryking said:

eljefe444 said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

DrummerboyWolf said:

This is not a peace deal. There is an understanding that they will continue talking and try to reach a peace deal in 60 days. If Iran does not behave they will get bombed. If they start meeting certain criteria, then they will slowly get some of the funds that have been frozen. What we have right now is a pause. Iran has a choice to make. Do what they signed on to do or be obliterated. No U. S. Forces are going anywhere for a while. Trump has all the leverage. Obama never had any.

Again let it play out and see where we go. There is plenty in the works behind the scenes. Americans don't want troops on the ground. Ok then we destroy them economically where they have to either give in or get destroyed. Trump is giving them an out to save face, but he is not letting them off the hook.



Yeah, I'm not buying that. This regime murdered tens of thousands of their own citizens, they were responsible for October 7th, they are responsible for the war in Gaza, and they have consistently maintained their main goal is to eradicate Israel off the map and to murder as many Americans as possible.

As a reward for all this, the US is now going to allow Iran to become richer than they have in the last 47 years.

Great negotiations. In 60 days you know what we're going to have? Jack squat.

What is the alternative?

finish the job you promised. Unconditional surrender

What would that include?

go ask Trump. He said it.

Perhaps he's accomplished what he wanted, right? So, what would you want him to do to finish the job?? Did you have an expectation of what that meant? If so, what was it?


What did he accomplish that he wanted?

He's gotten to a place where they can get a deal. What I find interesting is that some want him to finish the job. I really think it's them that need to let us know what they expected.

it appears obvious that Trump is at a place where he is content, for the time being. BTW, I'm not here to read anyone's mind, so, please enlighten us on your expectations.


I think this has been a total disaster and any deal he can make isn't going to be nearly as good as the JCPOA he withdrew from.

Unfortunately, we'll have to live with the lives already lost, economic hits, and would rather spend the potential $300 billion on our own citizens instead of rebuilding Iran after bombing them.

What are your expectations?


What $300 billion are you talking about?

He's still watching MSNOW apparently...


Must be

Are y'all being intentionally obtuse or are you not aware about the $300 billion redevelopment fund that's a component of the deal?

Or are you hiding behind "yeah but but but that money's not coming from the US government?"

Again, the deal sucks in many ways including this one. The Obama deal Trump hated had a fraction of that capital (and similarly it did not come from the US government) allocated as incentive to behave.


eljefe literally said he "rather spend $300 billion on our on citizens" so I was asking him what he is talking about? I get the feeling he is misinformed.

As I said 500 times in the last three pages of this thread, I skeptical Iran will meet the requirements for any money to make it to them. If you don't like this part of the deal, take it up with the gulf coast nations.




Let's change it to something less ambiguous then. I'd rather the $30 billion already spent on this war (and additional $80 billion the Pentagon is requesting) be used on the American people.

I'd rather really help the American people by not spending the money at all. In fact, spend less money, balance the budget by cutting spending (across the board) and without raising taxes on no one. That will have more positive effect on more people than any spending that could potentially happen.

Ok, ok… I'll accept taxing some. For all the people that net out to zero and or getting money back on Federal taxes, well… put in a minimum 5% to 10% tax rate. You know, kind of like that minimum alternative adjusted tax deal we used to have.

Once all US citizens participate in the tax collection by the IRS, I'll be willing to discuss mine. Until then, stay out of the pocketbook.

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caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

DrummerboyWolf said:

This is not a peace deal. There is an understanding that they will continue talking and try to reach a peace deal in 60 days. If Iran does not behave they will get bombed. If they start meeting certain criteria, then they will slowly get some of the funds that have been frozen. What we have right now is a pause. Iran has a choice to make. Do what they signed on to do or be obliterated. No U. S. Forces are going anywhere for a while. Trump has all the leverage. Obama never had any.

Again let it play out and see where we go. There is plenty in the works behind the scenes. Americans don't want troops on the ground. Ok then we destroy them economically where they have to either give in or get destroyed. Trump is giving them an out to save face, but he is not letting them off the hook.



Yeah, I'm not buying that. This regime murdered tens of thousands of their own citizens, they were responsible for October 7th, they are responsible for the war in Gaza, and they have consistently maintained their main goal is to eradicate Israel off the map and to murder as many Americans as possible.

As a reward for all this, the US is now going to allow Iran to become richer than they have in the last 47 years.

Great negotiations. In 60 days you know what we're going to have? Jack squat.

What is the alternative?

finish the job you promised. Unconditional surrender

What would that include?

go ask Trump. He said it.

Perhaps he's accomplished what he wanted, right? So, what would you want him to do to finish the job?? Did you have an expectation of what that meant? If so, what was it?

lol. Yes, I have an expectation of unconditional surrender being an actual unconditional surrender. We do t have an unconditional surrender Cary.

Heck, I'm not even sure I know what unconditional surrender means. Tell me what you think it means, specifically…

wiping an evil regime off the face of the earth.

So, was that your expectation? If so, would you agree that aligns with the Neo-Con position?
why does that matter?


I guess knowing your expectation helps me understand why you're not happy about the decisions being made…
no why does the Neo Con position matter?
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hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

DrummerboyWolf said:

This is not a peace deal. There is an understanding that they will continue talking and try to reach a peace deal in 60 days. If Iran does not behave they will get bombed. If they start meeting certain criteria, then they will slowly get some of the funds that have been frozen. What we have right now is a pause. Iran has a choice to make. Do what they signed on to do or be obliterated. No U. S. Forces are going anywhere for a while. Trump has all the leverage. Obama never had any.

Again let it play out and see where we go. There is plenty in the works behind the scenes. Americans don't want troops on the ground. Ok then we destroy them economically where they have to either give in or get destroyed. Trump is giving them an out to save face, but he is not letting them off the hook.



Yeah, I'm not buying that. This regime murdered tens of thousands of their own citizens, they were responsible for October 7th, they are responsible for the war in Gaza, and they have consistently maintained their main goal is to eradicate Israel off the map and to murder as many Americans as possible.

As a reward for all this, the US is now going to allow Iran to become richer than they have in the last 47 years.

Great negotiations. In 60 days you know what we're going to have? Jack squat.

What is the alternative?

finish the job you promised. Unconditional surrender

What would that include?

go ask Trump. He said it.

Perhaps he's accomplished what he wanted, right? So, what would you want him to do to finish the job?? Did you have an expectation of what that meant? If so, what was it?

lol. Yes, I have an expectation of unconditional surrender being an actual unconditional surrender. We do t have an unconditional surrender Cary.

Heck, I'm not even sure I know what unconditional surrender means. Tell me what you think it means, specifically…

wiping an evil regime off the face of the earth.

So, was that your expectation? If so, would you agree that aligns with the Neo-Con position?
why does that matter?


I guess knowing your expectation helps me understand why you're not happy about the decisions being made…
no why does the Neo Con position matter?


You know, I can and will answer questions. Unfortunately, some appear to not be able too…. Perhaps, we could have a better conversation when people actually expressed themselves before ad hominem commentary.

So, the Neo-con statement was about positions. In general, the following are a stance different factions take:

MAGA - non interventionist
Neo-cons - interventionist

Now, there is a ton of overlap in the two factions; however, this one is a divide. I don't think that's a bad thing; rather, it shows how diverse the Republican party truly is. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water, when we probably agree on more than not.

I hope that helps…
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Ok. Not sure why you and others here think this is some master stoke by Trump. It clearly isn't.

This is worse by the JCPOA. We've used our military attack card and Iran is no longer afraid of it.

This rhetoric that because I'm not carrying water for this deal means I want to just bomb Iran or I'm out to get Trump is ridiculous and lazy. We have turned our back once again on the Iranian people and that is where I am upset.
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What a liar

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caryking said:

eljefe444 said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

TheStorm said:

Gulfstream4 said:

eljefe444 said:

caryking said:

eljefe444 said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

DrummerboyWolf said:

This is not a peace deal. There is an understanding that they will continue talking and try to reach a peace deal in 60 days. If Iran does not behave they will get bombed. If they start meeting certain criteria, then they will slowly get some of the funds that have been frozen. What we have right now is a pause. Iran has a choice to make. Do what they signed on to do or be obliterated. No U. S. Forces are going anywhere for a while. Trump has all the leverage. Obama never had any.

Again let it play out and see where we go. There is plenty in the works behind the scenes. Americans don't want troops on the ground. Ok then we destroy them economically where they have to either give in or get destroyed. Trump is giving them an out to save face, but he is not letting them off the hook.



Yeah, I'm not buying that. This regime murdered tens of thousands of their own citizens, they were responsible for October 7th, they are responsible for the war in Gaza, and they have consistently maintained their main goal is to eradicate Israel off the map and to murder as many Americans as possible.

As a reward for all this, the US is now going to allow Iran to become richer than they have in the last 47 years.

Great negotiations. In 60 days you know what we're going to have? Jack squat.

What is the alternative?

finish the job you promised. Unconditional surrender

What would that include?

go ask Trump. He said it.

Perhaps he's accomplished what he wanted, right? So, what would you want him to do to finish the job?? Did you have an expectation of what that meant? If so, what was it?


What did he accomplish that he wanted?

He's gotten to a place where they can get a deal. What I find interesting is that some want him to finish the job. I really think it's them that need to let us know what they expected.

it appears obvious that Trump is at a place where he is content, for the time being. BTW, I'm not here to read anyone's mind, so, please enlighten us on your expectations.


I think this has been a total disaster and any deal he can make isn't going to be nearly as good as the JCPOA he withdrew from.

Unfortunately, we'll have to live with the lives already lost, economic hits, and would rather spend the potential $300 billion on our own citizens instead of rebuilding Iran after bombing them.

What are your expectations?


What $300 billion are you talking about?

He's still watching MSNOW apparently...


Must be

Are y'all being intentionally obtuse or are you not aware about the $300 billion redevelopment fund that's a component of the deal?

Or are you hiding behind "yeah but but but that money's not coming from the US government?"

Again, the deal sucks in many ways including this one. The Obama deal Trump hated had a fraction of that capital (and similarly it did not come from the US government) allocated as incentive to behave.


eljefe literally said he "rather spend $300 billion on our on citizens" so I was asking him what he is talking about? I get the feeling he is misinformed.

As I said 500 times in the last three pages of this thread, I skeptical Iran will meet the requirements for any money to make it to them. If you don't like this part of the deal, take it up with the gulf coast nations.




Let's change it to something less ambiguous then. I'd rather the $30 billion already spent on this war (and additional $80 billion the Pentagon is requesting) be used on the American people.

I'd rather really help the American people by not spending the money at all. In fact, spend less money, balance the budget by cutting spending (across the board) and without raising taxes on no one. That will have more positive effect on more people than any spending that could potentially happen.

Ok, ok… I'll accept taxing some. For all the people that net out to zero and or getting money back on Federal taxes, well… put in a minimum 5% to 10% tax rate. You know, kind of like that minimum alternative adjusted tax deal we used to have.

Once all US citizens participate in the tax collection by the IRS, I'll be willing to discuss mine. Until then, stay out of the pocketbook.


good news for you then, Trump has spent $2.5B because he hates windmills.
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So much behind the scenes ....with all the distractions l. ;-)
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Hey, campaign promise achieved! Swamp is going to be drained!!

Werewolf
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What's John Solomon talking about ....a "tip of the iceberg" LOL

Ole Were out front again. Don't ever doubt ole Were....EVER! Or u will be taking jabs over and over again, just like #nappy

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hokiewolf said:

What a liar



It really is pure up-is-down Soviet propaganda at this point. Effortless lying. And these guys gobble it up.
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hokiewolf said:

Hey, campaign promise achieved! Swamp is going to be drained!!



I LOL'd.
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hokiewolf said:

Ok. Not sure why you and others here think this is some master stoke by Trump. It clearly isn't.

This is worse by the JCPOA. We've used our military attack card and Iran is no longer afraid of it.

This rhetoric that because I'm not carrying water for this deal means I want to just bomb Iran or I'm out to get Trump is ridiculous and lazy. We have turned our back once again on the Iranian people and that is where I am upset.

And rightly so. Plus, while I don't care for nation-building in most cases, I still think the best long term solution would have been to dismember Iran into 3-4 new countries. Of course, doing that by air/naval power alone isn't possible, hence that will not happen.
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hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

eljefe444 said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

TheStorm said:

Gulfstream4 said:

eljefe444 said:

caryking said:

eljefe444 said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

DrummerboyWolf said:

This is not a peace deal. There is an understanding that they will continue talking and try to reach a peace deal in 60 days. If Iran does not behave they will get bombed. If they start meeting certain criteria, then they will slowly get some of the funds that have been frozen. What we have right now is a pause. Iran has a choice to make. Do what they signed on to do or be obliterated. No U. S. Forces are going anywhere for a while. Trump has all the leverage. Obama never had any.

Again let it play out and see where we go. There is plenty in the works behind the scenes. Americans don't want troops on the ground. Ok then we destroy them economically where they have to either give in or get destroyed. Trump is giving them an out to save face, but he is not letting them off the hook.



Yeah, I'm not buying that. This regime murdered tens of thousands of their own citizens, they were responsible for October 7th, they are responsible for the war in Gaza, and they have consistently maintained their main goal is to eradicate Israel off the map and to murder as many Americans as possible.

As a reward for all this, the US is now going to allow Iran to become richer than they have in the last 47 years.

Great negotiations. In 60 days you know what we're going to have? Jack squat.

What is the alternative?

finish the job you promised. Unconditional surrender

What would that include?

go ask Trump. He said it.

Perhaps he's accomplished what he wanted, right? So, what would you want him to do to finish the job?? Did you have an expectation of what that meant? If so, what was it?


What did he accomplish that he wanted?

He's gotten to a place where they can get a deal. What I find interesting is that some want him to finish the job. I really think it's them that need to let us know what they expected.

it appears obvious that Trump is at a place where he is content, for the time being. BTW, I'm not here to read anyone's mind, so, please enlighten us on your expectations.


I think this has been a total disaster and any deal he can make isn't going to be nearly as good as the JCPOA he withdrew from.

Unfortunately, we'll have to live with the lives already lost, economic hits, and would rather spend the potential $300 billion on our own citizens instead of rebuilding Iran after bombing them.

What are your expectations?


What $300 billion are you talking about?

He's still watching MSNOW apparently...


Must be

Are y'all being intentionally obtuse or are you not aware about the $300 billion redevelopment fund that's a component of the deal?

Or are you hiding behind "yeah but but but that money's not coming from the US government?"

Again, the deal sucks in many ways including this one. The Obama deal Trump hated had a fraction of that capital (and similarly it did not come from the US government) allocated as incentive to behave.


eljefe literally said he "rather spend $300 billion on our on citizens" so I was asking him what he is talking about? I get the feeling he is misinformed.

As I said 500 times in the last three pages of this thread, I skeptical Iran will meet the requirements for any money to make it to them. If you don't like this part of the deal, take it up with the gulf coast nations.




Let's change it to something less ambiguous then. I'd rather the $30 billion already spent on this war (and additional $80 billion the Pentagon is requesting) be used on the American people.

I'd rather really help the American people by not spending the money at all. In fact, spend less money, balance the budget by cutting spending (across the board) and without raising taxes on no one. That will have more positive effect on more people than any spending that could potentially happen.

Ok, ok… I'll accept taxing some. For all the people that net out to zero and or getting money back on Federal taxes, well… put in a minimum 5% to 10% tax rate. You know, kind of like that minimum alternative adjusted tax deal we used to have.

Once all US citizens participate in the tax collection by the IRS, I'll be willing to discuss mine. Until then, stay out of the pocketbook.


good news for you then, Trump has spent $2.5B because he hates windmills.


So now you like Blackstone?

…man, I'm so old I remember when you didn't like them buying up all the single family homes.

What changed?
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Cthepack said:

eljefe444 said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

TheStorm said:

Gulfstream4 said:

eljefe444 said:

caryking said:

eljefe444 said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

DrummerboyWolf said:

This is not a peace deal. There is an understanding that they will continue talking and try to reach a peace deal in 60 days. If Iran does not behave they will get bombed. If they start meeting certain criteria, then they will slowly get some of the funds that have been frozen. What we have right now is a pause. Iran has a choice to make. Do what they signed on to do or be obliterated. No U. S. Forces are going anywhere for a while. Trump has all the leverage. Obama never had any.

Again let it play out and see where we go. There is plenty in the works behind the scenes. Americans don't want troops on the ground. Ok then we destroy them economically where they have to either give in or get destroyed. Trump is giving them an out to save face, but he is not letting them off the hook.



Yeah, I'm not buying that. This regime murdered tens of thousands of their own citizens, they were responsible for October 7th, they are responsible for the war in Gaza, and they have consistently maintained their main goal is to eradicate Israel off the map and to murder as many Americans as possible.

As a reward for all this, the US is now going to allow Iran to become richer than they have in the last 47 years.

Great negotiations. In 60 days you know what we're going to have? Jack squat.

What is the alternative?

finish the job you promised. Unconditional surrender

What would that include?

go ask Trump. He said it.

Perhaps he's accomplished what he wanted, right? So, what would you want him to do to finish the job?? Did you have an expectation of what that meant? If so, what was it?


What did he accomplish that he wanted?

He's gotten to a place where they can get a deal. What I find interesting is that some want him to finish the job. I really think it's them that need to let us know what they expected.

it appears obvious that Trump is at a place where he is content, for the time being. BTW, I'm not here to read anyone's mind, so, please enlighten us on your expectations.


I think this has been a total disaster and any deal he can make isn't going to be nearly as good as the JCPOA he withdrew from.

Unfortunately, we'll have to live with the lives already lost, economic hits, and would rather spend the potential $300 billion on our own citizens instead of rebuilding Iran after bombing them.

What are your expectations?


What $300 billion are you talking about?

He's still watching MSNOW apparently...


Must be

Are y'all being intentionally obtuse or are you not aware about the $300 billion redevelopment fund that's a component of the deal?

Or are you hiding behind "yeah but but but that money's not coming from the US government?"

Again, the deal sucks in many ways including this one. The Obama deal Trump hated had a fraction of that capital (and similarly it did not come from the US government) allocated as incentive to behave.


eljefe literally said he "rather spend $300 billion on our on citizens" so I was asking him what he is talking about? I get the feeling he is misinformed.

As I said 500 times in the last three pages of this thread, I skeptical Iran will meet the requirements for any money to make it to them. If you don't like this part of the deal, take it up with the gulf coast nations.




Let's change it to something less ambiguous then. I'd rather the $30 billion already spent on this war (and additional $80 billion the Pentagon is requesting) be used on the American people.


Trying to get rid of a regime that has vocally been at war with the USA for 50 years and then replenishing your defense is spending money on its citizens. I know you hate Trump but come on man.


And how has that regime changed? Is this agreement any better than the JCPOA?
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Gulfstream4 said:

eljefe444 said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

TheStorm said:

Gulfstream4 said:

eljefe444 said:

caryking said:

eljefe444 said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

DrummerboyWolf said:

This is not a peace deal. There is an understanding that they will continue talking and try to reach a peace deal in 60 days. If Iran does not behave they will get bombed. If they start meeting certain criteria, then they will slowly get some of the funds that have been frozen. What we have right now is a pause. Iran has a choice to make. Do what they signed on to do or be obliterated. No U. S. Forces are going anywhere for a while. Trump has all the leverage. Obama never had any.

Again let it play out and see where we go. There is plenty in the works behind the scenes. Americans don't want troops on the ground. Ok then we destroy them economically where they have to either give in or get destroyed. Trump is giving them an out to save face, but he is not letting them off the hook.



Yeah, I'm not buying that. This regime murdered tens of thousands of their own citizens, they were responsible for October 7th, they are responsible for the war in Gaza, and they have consistently maintained their main goal is to eradicate Israel off the map and to murder as many Americans as possible.

As a reward for all this, the US is now going to allow Iran to become richer than they have in the last 47 years.

Great negotiations. In 60 days you know what we're going to have? Jack squat.

What is the alternative?

finish the job you promised. Unconditional surrender

What would that include?

go ask Trump. He said it.

Perhaps he's accomplished what he wanted, right? So, what would you want him to do to finish the job?? Did you have an expectation of what that meant? If so, what was it?


What did he accomplish that he wanted?

He's gotten to a place where they can get a deal. What I find interesting is that some want him to finish the job. I really think it's them that need to let us know what they expected.

it appears obvious that Trump is at a place where he is content, for the time being. BTW, I'm not here to read anyone's mind, so, please enlighten us on your expectations.


I think this has been a total disaster and any deal he can make isn't going to be nearly as good as the JCPOA he withdrew from.

Unfortunately, we'll have to live with the lives already lost, economic hits, and would rather spend the potential $300 billion on our own citizens instead of rebuilding Iran after bombing them.

What are your expectations?


What $300 billion are you talking about?

He's still watching MSNOW apparently...


Must be

Are y'all being intentionally obtuse or are you not aware about the $300 billion redevelopment fund that's a component of the deal?

Or are you hiding behind "yeah but but but that money's not coming from the US government?"

Again, the deal sucks in many ways including this one. The Obama deal Trump hated had a fraction of that capital (and similarly it did not come from the US government) allocated as incentive to behave.


eljefe literally said he "rather spend $300 billion on our on citizens" so I was asking him what he is talking about? I get the feeling he is misinformed.

As I said 500 times in the last three pages of this thread, I skeptical Iran will meet the requirements for any money to make it to them. If you don't like this part of the deal, take it up with the gulf coast nations.




Let's change it to something less ambiguous then. I'd rather the $30 billion already spent on this war (and additional $80 billion the Pentagon is requesting) be used on the American people.


So you were misinformed, got it!

How do you feel about all the money spent in Ukraine or Palestine? Were you in favor of using that money on the American people?


Good thing we're arguing over money for rebuilding Iran after bombing them resulting in a worse agreement than we already had before the JCPOA was thrown out vs humanitarian aid against an invading country instead of the Epstein list. Mission accomplished
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Gulfstream4 said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

eljefe444 said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

TheStorm said:

Gulfstream4 said:

eljefe444 said:

caryking said:

eljefe444 said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

DrummerboyWolf said:

This is not a peace deal. There is an understanding that they will continue talking and try to reach a peace deal in 60 days. If Iran does not behave they will get bombed. If they start meeting certain criteria, then they will slowly get some of the funds that have been frozen. What we have right now is a pause. Iran has a choice to make. Do what they signed on to do or be obliterated. No U. S. Forces are going anywhere for a while. Trump has all the leverage. Obama never had any.

Again let it play out and see where we go. There is plenty in the works behind the scenes. Americans don't want troops on the ground. Ok then we destroy them economically where they have to either give in or get destroyed. Trump is giving them an out to save face, but he is not letting them off the hook.



Yeah, I'm not buying that. This regime murdered tens of thousands of their own citizens, they were responsible for October 7th, they are responsible for the war in Gaza, and they have consistently maintained their main goal is to eradicate Israel off the map and to murder as many Americans as possible.

As a reward for all this, the US is now going to allow Iran to become richer than they have in the last 47 years.

Great negotiations. In 60 days you know what we're going to have? Jack squat.

What is the alternative?

finish the job you promised. Unconditional surrender

What would that include?

go ask Trump. He said it.

Perhaps he's accomplished what he wanted, right? So, what would you want him to do to finish the job?? Did you have an expectation of what that meant? If so, what was it?


What did he accomplish that he wanted?

He's gotten to a place where they can get a deal. What I find interesting is that some want him to finish the job. I really think it's them that need to let us know what they expected.

it appears obvious that Trump is at a place where he is content, for the time being. BTW, I'm not here to read anyone's mind, so, please enlighten us on your expectations.


I think this has been a total disaster and any deal he can make isn't going to be nearly as good as the JCPOA he withdrew from.

Unfortunately, we'll have to live with the lives already lost, economic hits, and would rather spend the potential $300 billion on our own citizens instead of rebuilding Iran after bombing them.

What are your expectations?


What $300 billion are you talking about?

He's still watching MSNOW apparently...


Must be

Are y'all being intentionally obtuse or are you not aware about the $300 billion redevelopment fund that's a component of the deal?

Or are you hiding behind "yeah but but but that money's not coming from the US government?"

Again, the deal sucks in many ways including this one. The Obama deal Trump hated had a fraction of that capital (and similarly it did not come from the US government) allocated as incentive to behave.


eljefe literally said he "rather spend $300 billion on our on citizens" so I was asking him what he is talking about? I get the feeling he is misinformed.

As I said 500 times in the last three pages of this thread, I skeptical Iran will meet the requirements for any money to make it to them. If you don't like this part of the deal, take it up with the gulf coast nations.




Let's change it to something less ambiguous then. I'd rather the $30 billion already spent on this war (and additional $80 billion the Pentagon is requesting) be used on the American people.

I'd rather really help the American people by not spending the money at all. In fact, spend less money, balance the budget by cutting spending (across the board) and without raising taxes on no one. That will have more positive effect on more people than any spending that could potentially happen.

Ok, ok… I'll accept taxing some. For all the people that net out to zero and or getting money back on Federal taxes, well… put in a minimum 5% to 10% tax rate. You know, kind of like that minimum alternative adjusted tax deal we used to have.

Once all US citizens participate in the tax collection by the IRS, I'll be willing to discuss mine. Until then, stay out of the pocketbook.


good news for you then, Trump has spent $2.5B because he hates windmills.


So now you like Blackstone?

…man, I'm so old I remember when you didn't like them buying up all the single family homes.

What changed?
you have me confused with someone else. The free market can do what it wants with home sales. Besides, Blackstone owns apartment buildings and that's fine by me.
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eljefe444 said:

Gulfstream4 said:

eljefe444 said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

TheStorm said:

Gulfstream4 said:

eljefe444 said:

caryking said:

eljefe444 said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

DrummerboyWolf said:

This is not a peace deal. There is an understanding that they will continue talking and try to reach a peace deal in 60 days. If Iran does not behave they will get bombed. If they start meeting certain criteria, then they will slowly get some of the funds that have been frozen. What we have right now is a pause. Iran has a choice to make. Do what they signed on to do or be obliterated. No U. S. Forces are going anywhere for a while. Trump has all the leverage. Obama never had any.

Again let it play out and see where we go. There is plenty in the works behind the scenes. Americans don't want troops on the ground. Ok then we destroy them economically where they have to either give in or get destroyed. Trump is giving them an out to save face, but he is not letting them off the hook.



Yeah, I'm not buying that. This regime murdered tens of thousands of their own citizens, they were responsible for October 7th, they are responsible for the war in Gaza, and they have consistently maintained their main goal is to eradicate Israel off the map and to murder as many Americans as possible.

As a reward for all this, the US is now going to allow Iran to become richer than they have in the last 47 years.

Great negotiations. In 60 days you know what we're going to have? Jack squat.

What is the alternative?

finish the job you promised. Unconditional surrender

What would that include?

go ask Trump. He said it.

Perhaps he's accomplished what he wanted, right? So, what would you want him to do to finish the job?? Did you have an expectation of what that meant? If so, what was it?


What did he accomplish that he wanted?

He's gotten to a place where they can get a deal. What I find interesting is that some want him to finish the job. I really think it's them that need to let us know what they expected.

it appears obvious that Trump is at a place where he is content, for the time being. BTW, I'm not here to read anyone's mind, so, please enlighten us on your expectations.


I think this has been a total disaster and any deal he can make isn't going to be nearly as good as the JCPOA he withdrew from.

Unfortunately, we'll have to live with the lives already lost, economic hits, and would rather spend the potential $300 billion on our own citizens instead of rebuilding Iran after bombing them.

What are your expectations?


What $300 billion are you talking about?

He's still watching MSNOW apparently...


Must be

Are y'all being intentionally obtuse or are you not aware about the $300 billion redevelopment fund that's a component of the deal?

Or are you hiding behind "yeah but but but that money's not coming from the US government?"

Again, the deal sucks in many ways including this one. The Obama deal Trump hated had a fraction of that capital (and similarly it did not come from the US government) allocated as incentive to behave.


eljefe literally said he "rather spend $300 billion on our on citizens" so I was asking him what he is talking about? I get the feeling he is misinformed.

As I said 500 times in the last three pages of this thread, I skeptical Iran will meet the requirements for any money to make it to them. If you don't like this part of the deal, take it up with the gulf coast nations.




Let's change it to something less ambiguous then. I'd rather the $30 billion already spent on this war (and additional $80 billion the Pentagon is requesting) be used on the American people.


So you were misinformed, got it!

How do you feel about all the money spent in Ukraine or Palestine? Were you in favor of using that money on the American people?


Good thing we're arguing over money for rebuilding Iran after bombing them resulting in a worse agreement than we already had before the JCPOA was thrown out vs humanitarian aid against an invading country instead of the Epstein list. Mission accomplished


Dodge. Deflect. Change the subject. Point fingers.

Just admit you were duped when you thought we "should spend $300 billion on our own citizens instead of rebuilding Iran after bombing them" and then we can talk about the rest of your word salad.


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hokiewolf said:

Gulfstream4 said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

eljefe444 said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

TheStorm said:

Gulfstream4 said:

eljefe444 said:

caryking said:

eljefe444 said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

DrummerboyWolf said:

This is not a peace deal. There is an understanding that they will continue talking and try to reach a peace deal in 60 days. If Iran does not behave they will get bombed. If they start meeting certain criteria, then they will slowly get some of the funds that have been frozen. What we have right now is a pause. Iran has a choice to make. Do what they signed on to do or be obliterated. No U. S. Forces are going anywhere for a while. Trump has all the leverage. Obama never had any.

Again let it play out and see where we go. There is plenty in the works behind the scenes. Americans don't want troops on the ground. Ok then we destroy them economically where they have to either give in or get destroyed. Trump is giving them an out to save face, but he is not letting them off the hook.



Yeah, I'm not buying that. This regime murdered tens of thousands of their own citizens, they were responsible for October 7th, they are responsible for the war in Gaza, and they have consistently maintained their main goal is to eradicate Israel off the map and to murder as many Americans as possible.

As a reward for all this, the US is now going to allow Iran to become richer than they have in the last 47 years.

Great negotiations. In 60 days you know what we're going to have? Jack squat.

What is the alternative?

finish the job you promised. Unconditional surrender

What would that include?

go ask Trump. He said it.

Perhaps he's accomplished what he wanted, right? So, what would you want him to do to finish the job?? Did you have an expectation of what that meant? If so, what was it?


What did he accomplish that he wanted?

He's gotten to a place where they can get a deal. What I find interesting is that some want him to finish the job. I really think it's them that need to let us know what they expected.

it appears obvious that Trump is at a place where he is content, for the time being. BTW, I'm not here to read anyone's mind, so, please enlighten us on your expectations.


I think this has been a total disaster and any deal he can make isn't going to be nearly as good as the JCPOA he withdrew from.

Unfortunately, we'll have to live with the lives already lost, economic hits, and would rather spend the potential $300 billion on our own citizens instead of rebuilding Iran after bombing them.

What are your expectations?


What $300 billion are you talking about?

He's still watching MSNOW apparently...


Must be

Are y'all being intentionally obtuse or are you not aware about the $300 billion redevelopment fund that's a component of the deal?

Or are you hiding behind "yeah but but but that money's not coming from the US government?"

Again, the deal sucks in many ways including this one. The Obama deal Trump hated had a fraction of that capital (and similarly it did not come from the US government) allocated as incentive to behave.


eljefe literally said he "rather spend $300 billion on our on citizens" so I was asking him what he is talking about? I get the feeling he is misinformed.

As I said 500 times in the last three pages of this thread, I skeptical Iran will meet the requirements for any money to make it to them. If you don't like this part of the deal, take it up with the gulf coast nations.




Let's change it to something less ambiguous then. I'd rather the $30 billion already spent on this war (and additional $80 billion the Pentagon is requesting) be used on the American people.

I'd rather really help the American people by not spending the money at all. In fact, spend less money, balance the budget by cutting spending (across the board) and without raising taxes on no one. That will have more positive effect on more people than any spending that could potentially happen.

Ok, ok… I'll accept taxing some. For all the people that net out to zero and or getting money back on Federal taxes, well… put in a minimum 5% to 10% tax rate. You know, kind of like that minimum alternative adjusted tax deal we used to have.

Once all US citizens participate in the tax collection by the IRS, I'll be willing to discuss mine. Until then, stay out of the pocketbook.


good news for you then, Trump has spent $2.5B because he hates windmills.


So now you like Blackstone?

…man, I'm so old I remember when you didn't like them buying up all the single family homes.

What changed?
you have me confused with someone else. The free market can do what it wants with home sales. Besides, Blackstone owns apartment buildings and that's fine by me.


If I have you confused, I apologize.
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Blue City corruption.
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eljefe444 said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

TheStorm said:

Gulfstream4 said:

eljefe444 said:

caryking said:

eljefe444 said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

DrummerboyWolf said:

This is not a peace deal. There is an understanding that they will continue talking and try to reach a peace deal in 60 days. If Iran does not behave they will get bombed. If they start meeting certain criteria, then they will slowly get some of the funds that have been frozen. What we have right now is a pause. Iran has a choice to make. Do what they signed on to do or be obliterated. No U. S. Forces are going anywhere for a while. Trump has all the leverage. Obama never had any.

Again let it play out and see where we go. There is plenty in the works behind the scenes. Americans don't want troops on the ground. Ok then we destroy them economically where they have to either give in or get destroyed. Trump is giving them an out to save face, but he is not letting them off the hook.



Yeah, I'm not buying that. This regime murdered tens of thousands of their own citizens, they were responsible for October 7th, they are responsible for the war in Gaza, and they have consistently maintained their main goal is to eradicate Israel off the map and to murder as many Americans as possible.

As a reward for all this, the US is now going to allow Iran to become richer than they have in the last 47 years.

Great negotiations. In 60 days you know what we're going to have? Jack squat.

What is the alternative?

finish the job you promised. Unconditional surrender

What would that include?

go ask Trump. He said it.

Perhaps he's accomplished what he wanted, right? So, what would you want him to do to finish the job?? Did you have an expectation of what that meant? If so, what was it?


What did he accomplish that he wanted?

He's gotten to a place where they can get a deal. What I find interesting is that some want him to finish the job. I really think it's them that need to let us know what they expected.

it appears obvious that Trump is at a place where he is content, for the time being. BTW, I'm not here to read anyone's mind, so, please enlighten us on your expectations.


I think this has been a total disaster and any deal he can make isn't going to be nearly as good as the JCPOA he withdrew from.

Unfortunately, we'll have to live with the lives already lost, economic hits, and would rather spend the potential $300 billion on our own citizens instead of rebuilding Iran after bombing them.

What are your expectations?


What $300 billion are you talking about?

He's still watching MSNOW apparently...


Must be

Are y'all being intentionally obtuse or are you not aware about the $300 billion redevelopment fund that's a component of the deal?

Or are you hiding behind "yeah but but but that money's not coming from the US government?"

Again, the deal sucks in many ways including this one. The Obama deal Trump hated had a fraction of that capital (and similarly it did not come from the US government) allocated as incentive to behave.


eljefe literally said he "rather spend $300 billion on our on citizens" so I was asking him what he is talking about? I get the feeling he is misinformed.

As I said 500 times in the last three pages of this thread, I skeptical Iran will meet the requirements for any money to make it to them. If you don't like this part of the deal, take it up with the gulf coast nations.




Let's change it to something less ambiguous then. I'd rather the $30 billion already spent on this war (and additional $80 billion the Pentagon is requesting) be used on the American people.


Like in Minnesota?
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#Sieve, please stay with us here in the WC......looking forward to it!
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It ain't hard to understand....................But GET TRUMP.
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eljefe444 said:

Cthepack said:

eljefe444 said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

TheStorm said:

Gulfstream4 said:

eljefe444 said:

caryking said:

eljefe444 said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

DrummerboyWolf said:

This is not a peace deal. There is an understanding that they will continue talking and try to reach a peace deal in 60 days. If Iran does not behave they will get bombed. If they start meeting certain criteria, then they will slowly get some of the funds that have been frozen. What we have right now is a pause. Iran has a choice to make. Do what they signed on to do or be obliterated. No U. S. Forces are going anywhere for a while. Trump has all the leverage. Obama never had any.

Again let it play out and see where we go. There is plenty in the works behind the scenes. Americans don't want troops on the ground. Ok then we destroy them economically where they have to either give in or get destroyed. Trump is giving them an out to save face, but he is not letting them off the hook.



Yeah, I'm not buying that. This regime murdered tens of thousands of their own citizens, they were responsible for October 7th, they are responsible for the war in Gaza, and they have consistently maintained their main goal is to eradicate Israel off the map and to murder as many Americans as possible.

As a reward for all this, the US is now going to allow Iran to become richer than they have in the last 47 years.

Great negotiations. In 60 days you know what we're going to have? Jack squat.

What is the alternative?

finish the job you promised. Unconditional surrender

What would that include?

go ask Trump. He said it.

Perhaps he's accomplished what he wanted, right? So, what would you want him to do to finish the job?? Did you have an expectation of what that meant? If so, what was it?


What did he accomplish that he wanted?

He's gotten to a place where they can get a deal. What I find interesting is that some want him to finish the job. I really think it's them that need to let us know what they expected.

it appears obvious that Trump is at a place where he is content, for the time being. BTW, I'm not here to read anyone's mind, so, please enlighten us on your expectations.


I think this has been a total disaster and any deal he can make isn't going to be nearly as good as the JCPOA he withdrew from.

Unfortunately, we'll have to live with the lives already lost, economic hits, and would rather spend the potential $300 billion on our own citizens instead of rebuilding Iran after bombing them.

What are your expectations?


What $300 billion are you talking about?

He's still watching MSNOW apparently...


Must be

Are y'all being intentionally obtuse or are you not aware about the $300 billion redevelopment fund that's a component of the deal?

Or are you hiding behind "yeah but but but that money's not coming from the US government?"

Again, the deal sucks in many ways including this one. The Obama deal Trump hated had a fraction of that capital (and similarly it did not come from the US government) allocated as incentive to behave.


eljefe literally said he "rather spend $300 billion on our on citizens" so I was asking him what he is talking about? I get the feeling he is misinformed.

As I said 500 times in the last three pages of this thread, I skeptical Iran will meet the requirements for any money to make it to them. If you don't like this part of the deal, take it up with the gulf coast nations.




Let's change it to something less ambiguous then. I'd rather the $30 billion already spent on this war (and additional $80 billion the Pentagon is requesting) be used on the American people.


Trying to get rid of a regime that has vocally been at war with the USA for 50 years and then replenishing your defense is spending money on its citizens. I know you hate Trump but come on man.


And how has that regime changed? Is this agreement any better than the JCPOA?

What do you not understand about the word "trying"? If you want to have a meaningful discussion then lets do that, but this is the second time you just post something to be right about a talking point you want so badly to make.
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